|Quote, originally posted by ::xander:: »|
|why would you come in here, tell us about your machine and when we tell you we don't recommend it, you call us ignorant?? Are we not allowed opinions that differ from yours??|
free weights are better because there of the variety of movements you can do without a lot of equipment, a power rack, barbell and some weights will allow you to do hundreds of exercises in the same amount of space that your machine takes up, and it'll cost a lot less.
they are also better because compound movements use more more muscles together than isolation movements, and machines are primarily focused on isolation movements.
range of motion is controlled by the user with free weights, with a machine, the range of motion is set.
balance, there is little to no balance needed with a machine, resulting in poor CNS stimulation and less muscles involved, with free weights, there is a lot of balance and supporting muscles used in almost all movements.
safety.......you have to be a moron to get hurt lifting weights.
cost, when I was in the army, gyms on post were free. since I've gotten out, I've had to pay for a membership, I got out in Oct 05, I've spent WAAAAAAAAAY less money for gym memberships total so far, than you have on this machine.
user ease, a little research will show you thousands of exercises, it's not something that requires skill, other than a small few movements.
major compound movements, deads, squats, cleans, any major full body movement requires free weights, and these movements are the most efficient things you can do.
even though this is a lot of information......I could go on.
we're all real happy that you bought this setup and all, but don't call people ignorant when you don't like what you hear, because it makes you look like an ass, especially in this case, because you are wrong.
I understand how I look like an ass - that's why I added my "EDIT" comment.
You havent told me anything I didnt already know. So, from my perspective, the ass is the one that tried to treat me like a fool for spending $1k on a machine like this.
It's all too common in my experience for weight-lifting "jocks" to dismiss anything that isnt a freeweight.
Let me tell you the one excercise I think could be done better with free weights compared to this machine - a heavy squat.
Other than that, your arguments dont hold much water. This isnt a typical isolating machine. A properly designed cable machine (such as this one) doesnt restrict range of motion or motion direction. It's basically a source of resistance, the direction of which can be varied in complex ways to replicate all kinds of movements. With this machine, the resistance is constant, just like free weight, except better, because there's no inertia.
Sure, you can do a lot of exercises with a few free weights. You will also take a long time to do them, if you want to vary your loads.
This machine allows for plenty of "compound movements." Plenty of exercises can and are to be done off the chair, and even on the chair, stabilizing muscles are critical.
Safety with free wieghts? Yeah, just dont drop one, especially on yourself. A machine like mine doesnt ever require a spotter.
User ease - I'm talking how easily and quickly I can blast through a workout, compared to the slow, tedious process of messing with free weights (particularly setting up barbells.
Are you including the added cost of time invovled in the more time-consuming free weight workout, not to mention coming/going to the gym, and waiting on equipment? Perhaps the nearest gym is rather out of the way for some people.
Deadlifts and squats are quite doable on this machine. Cleans (if I understand you right) could be done, but I think they actually rely on inertia, or they wont work.
So look, I can come off a bit arrogant sometimes. I'm not saying this machine does it all, or that it's perfect, I just think it's pretty great piece of equipment. I was just sharing, and the first comments I get sound pretty darned ignorant, dismissing the machine out of hand, so who's the ass here?
Modified by RogueTDI at 10:17 PM 1-1-2008